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    Weapons and Armour

    The idea of this thread is both to help the new players pick the best weapon for their style and to clear out the remaining mist around the gear which the game offers. What follows below is a result of my personal observations and some things might not be absolutely correct - due to which I encourage the other representatives of the "older generation" to provide their own impressions and feedback.

    Some clarifications how the different weapons are evaluated:
    Length: The unknown value which determines how many attack attempts can a gladiator make against an opponent with longer/shorter weapon.
    Armour-penetration power/Critical power: How effective is the given weapon against armour and how likely it is to be deflected. Also how high is the chance to trigger a critical hit upon attack.
    Chance to trigger bleeding: This one is self-explanatory.
    Bleeding bonus from Gratuitous Violence: What bonus can be expected from the mentioned skill for that weapon. Important note: ALL weapons can cause bleeding with GV, the difference is in the amount.
    Initiative penalty: How much the given weapon reduces the gladiator's initiative.
    Special effects: Whether the weapon has some special property which can be seen/deduced from the actual fights only.
    Attack styles: How is the weapon supposed to be used.

    The armour types are evaluated as follows:
    Deflection rate: How often the given armour sub-type can be expected to deflect attacks.
    Critical protection: How much the armour reduces the power of critical hits.
    Bleeding protection: How much the armour reduces bleeding (from both critical and non-critical hits).

    I'm measuring the categories which have some unknown values from Very Low to Very High (and in one case - Great, which indicates the highest available value). A short comment is put after each weapon type for flavour and minor hints. Here is the actual list:

    Weapons

    Blades family

    Dagger
    Length: Short
    Armour-penetration power/Critical power: Very Low
    Chance to trigger bleeding: Very High
    Bleeding bonus from Gratuitous Violence: Very High
    Initiative penalty: None or Very Low
    Special effects: None
    Attack styles: Slash, Lunge

    Notes: A natural weapon choice for certain bleeder and Speed builds, as well as some War tanks who want to accumulate good initiative. It gets deflected often and is generally bad at criticals so it usually needs critical-enhancing skills/boosts to be efficient later in the game.

    Rapier
    Length: Average
    Armour-penetration power/Critical power: Below Average
    Chance to trigger bleeding: High
    Bleeding bonus from Gratuitous Violence: High
    Initiative penalty: Very Low
    Special effects: None
    Attack styles: Slash, Lunge

    Notes: This is a very popular weapon among various Speed builds due to its very good speed, bleeding capabilities and decent armour-penetration power for a bladed weapon. Generally works better with Lunge.

    Short Sword
    Length: Below Average
    Armour-penetration power/Critical power: Below Average/Average
    Chance toe trigger bleeding: High
    Bleeding bonus from Gratuitous Violence: High
    Initiative penalty: Very Low/Low
    Special effects: None
    Attack styles: Slash, Lunge

    Notes: Used mostly by speed builds, the short sword offers decent armour penetration and bleeding power for its speed. Works equally well with Slash and Lunge but the latter style is usually preferred against heavily armoured Wars.

    Broad/Long Sword
    Length: Average
    Armour-penetration power/Critical power: Average
    Chance to trigger bleeding: Above Average
    Bleeding bonus from Gratuitous Violence: Above Average
    Initiative penalty: Below Average
    Special effects: None
    Attack styles: Slash, Lunge

    Notes: This is a moderately fast sword which plays a demarcation point between the light, bleeding-orientated bladed weapons and their heavier cousins with a more armour-piercing role. It does decently at triggering bleeding and doing some good damage but does not excel at any of these.

    Bastard Sword
    Length: Above Average/Long
    Armour-penetration power/Critical power: Above Average
    Chance to trigger bleeding: Average
    Bleeding bonus from Gratuitous Violence: Average
    Initiative penalty: Average
    Special effects: None
    Attack styles: Slash, Lunge

    Notes: The heaviest weapon from the Blades family, the Bastard Sword has greater punching power than any other Blade but is also slow and adds noticeable amount of initiative penalty to the fighter. It generally takes more planning and tactical adjustment to make a good use of it compared to the other bladed weapons.


    Axes & Maces family

    Hatchet
    Length: Below Average
    Armour-penetration power/Critical power: Above Average
    Chance to trigger bleeding: Below Average
    Bleeding bonus from Gratuitous Violence: Below Average
    Initiative penalty: Below Average
    Special effects: None
    Attack styles: Bash, Slash

    Notes: This is the lightest weapon from the family and offers good hitting power in addition to its decent speed. It is popular among some Power builds. One should not rely too much of its native bleeding capabilities. Works better with Bash.

    War Hammer
    Length: Below Average
    Armour-penetration power/Critical power: High
    Chance to trigger bleeding: None
    Bleeding bonus from Gratuitous Violence: Low
    Initiative penalty: Average
    Special effects: None
    Attack styles: Bash

    Notes: Probably the most popular weapon from the family due to its significant armour-piercing capabilities and decent speed. Very often used by Power Rage and Theatrics builds, can sometimes be employed by certain more offensive Wars as well. A good weapon for beginners who want to test the A&M family.

    Mace
    Length: Below Average
    Armour-penetration power/Critical power: High/Very High
    Chance to trigger bleeding: None
    Bleeding bonus from Gratuitous Violence: Low
    Initiative penalty: Above Average
    Special effects: None
    Attack styles: Bash

    Notes: One of the best armour-piercing weapons in the game, which is also rather slow and puts a good extra load on your fighter’s initiative. It is generally more neglected than the War Hammer but can do better job than it in the hands of certain builds, like Power Theatrics.

    Battle Axe
    Length: Below Average
    Armour-penetration power/Critical power: Above Average/High
    Chance to trigger bleeding: Below Average
    Bleeding bonus from Gratuitous Violence: Below Average/Low
    Initiative penalty: Above Average
    Special effects: None
    Attack styles: Bash, Slash

    Notes: This is basically a heavier version of the Hatchet. It hits harder and slower, has some chance to trigger bleeding but it is not incredibly high and is basically what you would get it you cross a Bastard Sword with a Mace. Good for some Power builds but due to its relatively low speed and initiative penalty, it is not very popular. Works better with Bash.

    Flail
    Length: Average
    Armour-penetration power/Critical power: High/Very High
    Chance to trigger bleeding: None
    Bleeding bonus from Gratuitous violence: Low
    Initiative penalty: Above Average
    Special effects: Partially bypasses Shields; Has a higher chance to miss
    Attack Styles: Bash

    Notes: A very powerful offensive weapon which does very well against all sorts of defensive builds. The flail has the best hitting power of all one-handed weapons but it is also more unwieldy and makes your fighter miss more often or even make critical mistakes like throwing away his weapon or falling on the ground on his own.


    Two-handed weapons family

    Battle Flail
    Length: Long
    Armour-penetration power/Critical power: High
    Chance to trigger bleeding: None
    Bleeding bonus from Gratuitous Violence: Unknown (supposedly Low or lower)
    Initiative penalty: High
    Special effects: None (Partially bypasses shields?)
    Attack styles: Bash

    Notes: This is a rather unique two-handed weapon due to its lower weight and slightly higher attack speed compared to its cousins. The hitting power is also slightly lower to compensate for the extra attack every once in a while. Frequently used by Rages with Total Carnage because it allows them to better utilize the speed of the weapon but it can also be seen in the hands of some Wars.

    Great Sword/Zweihander/Claymore/Flamberge
    Length: Long
    Armour-penetration power/Critical power: High
    Chance to trigger bleeding: Average
    Bleeding bonus from Gratuitous Violence: Unknown (supposedly Above Average)
    Initiative penalty: High
    Special effects: None
    Attack styles: Slash, Lunge

    Notes: Like all two-handed weapons, the 2H sword is slow and puts quite a penalty on the gladiator’s initiative but compensates with a very good hitting power. In general this type of weapon is not as offensive as other types from the family but it is possibly easier to wield and has a chance to trigger bleeding, which could be handy in some situations. There could be some difference between the different types of 2H swords but I have not noticed it.

    Great Axe
    Length: Long
    Armour-penetration power/Critical power: High
    Chance to trigger bleeding: Below Average
    Bleeding bonus from Gratuitous Violence: Unknown (supposedly Average or lower)
    Initiative penalty: High
    Special effects: None
    Attack styles: Bash

    Notes: The Great Axe is the bridge between the Zweihanders and the Maul. It has somewhat better armour-piercing properties than the 2H swords but is worse at triggering bleeding. It can be used by various Rage and War builds with good effect.

    Maul
    Length: Long
    Armour-penetration power/Critical power: Very High
    Chance to trigger bleeding: None
    Bleeding bonus from Gratuitous Violence: Unknown (supposedly Low or lower)
    Initiative penalty: High
    Special effects: None (Possibly higher chance to miss)
    Attack styles: Bash

    Notes: This is a bigger, meaner and slower version of the Mace. It can hit hard even without training offensive skills and does a very good job against armour. The drawback is that the Maul seems to be relatively unwieldy and doesn’t trigger any bleeding.

    War Chain
    Length: Long/Very Long
    Armour-penetration power/Critical power: Very High
    Chance to trigger bleeding: None
    Bleeding bonus from Gratuitous Violence: Unknown (supposedly Low or lower)
    Initiative penalty: High/Very High
    Special effects: Partially bypassed Shields; Has a higher chance to miss
    Attack styles: Bash

    Notes: The War Chain is basically a Flail on steroids. It is a very offensive weapon, possibly the best against defensive builds, but it is also heavy and prone to misses even with Battle Hardened. It is somewhat neglected due to its weight.


    Pole Arms weapons family

    Spear
    Length: Long/Very Long
    Armour-penetration power/Critical power: High
    Chance to trigger bleeding: High
    Bleeding bonus from Gratuitous Violence: Unknown (supposedly Above Average or High)
    Initiative penalty: Below Average
    Special effects: None
    Attack styles: Lunge

    Notes: An interesting weapon, the Spear deals average damage but can pierce through armour quite well and scores the most bleeding of all two-handed weapons. It is not very popular and its abilities and possible applications remain largely unexplored to date. Usually employed by more offensive-minded gladiators.

    War Staff
    Length: Long/Very Long
    Armour-penetration power/Critical power: High
    Chance to trigger bleeding: Above Average
    Bleeding bonus from Gratuitous Violence: Unknown (supposedly Above Average)
    Initiative penalty: Average/Above Average
    Special effects: None
    Attack styles: Bash, Lunge

    Notes: The mid-weight Pole Arm looks like a strange mix of other weapons. It has good armour-penetration power, can trigger bleeding relatively frequently and is long enough to keep the short weapon users away quite well. Its damage is not spectacular however and the weapon speed is rather low (even though it’s quite good for a two-handed item) so opponents who can hit both hard and fast can overwhelm your fighter.

    Halberd/Pollaxe
    Length: Very Long
    Armour-penetration power/Critical power: High
    Chance to trigger bleeding: Average
    Bleeding bonus from Gratuitous Violence: (Unknown, supposedly Above Average)
    Initiative penalty: Above Average
    Special effects: None
    Attack styles: Bash, Lunge

    Notes: The Halberd/Pollaxe is quite similar to the two-handed swords but unlike them it needs Agility rather than Strength to be more efficient. It is among the longest weapons available and can be used successfully in both offensive and defensive scenarios. It is possible that the Pollaxe has higher armour-piercing power than the Halberd but triggers less bleeding.


    Exotic weapons family

    Stiletto
    Length: Short
    Armour-penetration power/Critical power: Very Low
    Chance to trigger bleeding: Very High
    Bleeding bonus from Gratuitous Violence: Very High
    Initiative penalty: None or Very Low
    Special effects: None
    Attack styles: Slash, Lunge

    Notes: This is pretty much the exotic equivalent of the dagger. Triggers a lot of bleeding, allows very frequent attacks but is also terrible against armour and should not be expected to come up with high tier criticals very often without dedicated skills. Good for Speed fighters and some unorthodox defensive builds.

    Claw
    Length: Short
    Armour-penetration power/Critical power: Low
    Chance to trigger bleeding: Very High
    Bleeding bonus from Gratuitous Violence: Very High
    Initiative penalty: Low
    Special effects: Can not be disarmed
    Attack styles: Slash, Lunge

    Notes: Although it has the same attack speed as the Dagger and the Stiletto, the Claw is a heavier weapon which generally does better against armour but puts some penalty on your fighter’s initiative (which is still relatively low on global scale). Valued mostly among the Speed builds with bleeding focus.

    Trident
    Length: Above Average/Long
    Armour-penetration power/Critical power: Above Average
    Chance to trigger bleeding: High
    Bleeding bonus from Gratuitous Violence: High
    Initiative penalty: Average
    Special effects: None
    Attack styles: Lunge

    Notes: A curious representative of the Exotics family, the Trident is as heavy as a Battle Flail but actually attacks faster than the Falchion and is fairly good at penetrating armour. It also has a very good bleeding output, especially with Gratuitous Violence, but its average damage can be a disadvantage against hard-hitters. Used by both defensive and offensive builds with good success.

    Falchion
    Length: Average
    Armour-penetration power/Critical power: Above Average
    Chance to trigger bleeding: Above Average
    Bleeding bonus from Gratuitous Violence: Above Average/High
    Initiative penalty: Average
    Special effects: None
    Attack styles: Slash, Lunge

    Notes: The Falchion is a more offensive version of the Bastard Sword, slightly better at penetrating armour, triggering bleeding and dealing damage but seemingly worse at parries and shorter in length. It is a slow weapon, quite efficient with Counter Attack and has good applications in both offensive and defensive scenarios.


    Shields family

    General note: All shields are supposed to be used with defensive styles for maximum efficiency.

    Buckler
    Length: Short
    Armour-penetration power/Critical power: Very Low
    Chance to trigger bleeding: None
    Bleeding bonus from Gratuitous Violence: Very Low
    Initiative penalty: Very Low or Low
    Special effects: Parry Bonus
    Attack styles: (Parry-) Bash

    Notes: The lightest shield in the game is largely neglected, especially in the later stages of the game, so its properties are mostly unexplored. Of all shields, it puts the least extra weight on your fighter’s initiative and can possibly be used in some hybrid configurations (light defense with occasional switches to offense) but its very bad offensive characteristics as well as the preference for extreme builds (heavy offence or heavy defense) makes it an outsider for the time being.

    Kite Shield
    Length: Short
    Armour-penetration power/Critical power: Very Low
    Chance to trigger bleeding: None
    Bleeding bonus from Gratuitous Violence: Very Low
    Initiative penalty: Average
    Special effects: Parry Bonus
    Attack styles: (Parry-) Bash

    Notes: The Kite Shield has significantly bigger defensive potential than the Buckler but it is also heavier and harder on your initiative and still terrible when it comes to offense (which you will notice mostly when your gladiator decides to make off-hand attacks). It has seem somewhat more usage than the Buckler throughout the years but in general it is an underdog.

    Wall Shield
    Length: Short
    Armour-penetration power/Critical power: Low
    Chance to trigger bleeding: None
    Bleeding bonus from Gratuitous Violence: Very Low
    Initiative penalty: High/Very High
    Special effects: Parry Bonus
    Attack styles: (Parry-) Bash

    Notes: Undoubtedly the most popular shield in the game to date and right now the only one used in the Blood Gods bracket. It provides a massive boost to your gladiator’s defensive potential at the expense of an equally massive initiative penalty and extra encumbrance. Very efficient when used by heavily defensive War and Theatrics builds. It is also the only shield which can actually do some notable damage, although it is still very low when compared to most of the weapons with offensive application.

    Armour

    General note: To all armour types applies the rule that gladiators who wear a full suit of one sub-type (or even one type) only are exceptions, not a norm. Most of the notes below assume, for simplicity, that your fighter wears only the given sub-type of armour so its properties can be explained more clearly but in the real game you will probably mix them a lot, put lighter pieces on limbs which you expect to be attacked less often and heavier ones on the usual targets for the opponent, swap one type with another (if the class allows it) depending on your strategy and build, etc. The number of possible combinations is high enough to make them hard to describe in details so the current approach aims to present just a general picture.
    General note 2: All armour types provide higher deflection rate when used with a defensive strategy.

    Light armour family

    Cloth
    Deflection rate: None or Very Low
    Critical protection: None or Very Low
    Bleeding protection: None or Very Low

    Notes: This is not really armour. The protection that the Cloth pieces offer is so minimal that it nearly equals fighting naked. It is still better than nothing and certainly doesn’t add any noticeable encumbrance on your fighter which is its biggest upside, allowing you to build a very fast fighter. This type of “armour” is usually utilized by Rages who don’t care about their protection, very rarely it can be seen on some Theatrics fighter and almost never on a War.

    Soft Leather/Soft Hide
    Deflection rate: Very Low
    Critical protection: Very Low
    Bleeding protection: Very Low

    Notes: Still far from anything that can be called armour, the Soft Leather/Hide offers very little protection but is nearly twice better than the Cloth and still very light, allowing high initiative and speed. Primarily used by Rage fighters and on rare occasions by Theatrics. As with all very light amour types, it is neglected by Wars due to the needs of that class for higher protection. There might be some difference between the Soft Leather and Soft Hide sub-types but it is certainly not big enough to notice.

    Hard Hide
    Deflection rate: Very Low
    Critical protection: Very Low or Low
    Bleeding protection: Very Low or Low

    Notes: The Hard Hide is probably the first member of the family that offers some protection which is not critically low (although it is still very inferior to the vast part of available armour types). The encumbrance levels also begin to mount slightly more visibly from this point on. In general, the Hard Hide offers a good compromise between the need to keep your fighter fast but not completely at the expense of his protection.

    Padded Leather
    Deflection rate: Very Low or Low
    Critical protection: Low
    Bleeding protection: Low

    Notes: One step above the Hard Hide when it comes to providing additional protection and encumbrance, the Padded Leather is possibly the first real “light armour”. Equipping your fighter with it will allow you to see those purple notes during the fight which say that the opponent failed to do any damage because of your outfit more than once in a blue moon. In terms of encumbrance, the is the mid-weight Light Armour, still allowing you to build a fast fighter but making you slower overall than the gladiators – usually Rages – with lighter equipment.

    Boiled Leather
    Deflection rate: Low
    Critical protection: Low or Below Average
    Bleeding protection: Low or Below Average

    Notes: The first of the two “heavy” sub-types of Light Armour, the Padded Leather offers visible damage reduction, some protection against bleeding and critical hits and occasional deflections at the expense of greater encumbrance compared to the majority of the other sub-types of the family. Generally a good choice for all fighters who want to achieve some levels of light protection but for various reasons want to remain faster (as far as the encumbrance is concerned) than their opponents in Studded Leather.

    Studded Leather
    Deflection rate: Below Average
    Critical protection: Below Average
    Bleeding protection: Below Average

    Notes: The heaviest Ligh Armour enjoys high popularity among various Rage and Theatrics builds and is probably the only representative of the family which can be seen on Wars who are not aiming at some incredibly exotic build. Although one should not rely on it to deflect too many attacks, it still does quite well for its weight. Wearing many pieces of Studded Leather can however put your fighter in a disadvantage against more lightly equipped gladiators.


    Medium armour family

    Ring Mail
    Deflection rate: Below Average or Average
    Critical protection: Average
    Bleeding protection: Average

    Notes: The Ring Mail is not a very big jump from the Studded Leather in terms of overall protection but it certainly adds considerably more encumbrance on your fighter. It is a very good choice for builds which want to maintain decent speed and initiative but also be able to withstand some damage. Normally used by Theatrics fighters and on rarer occasions by Wars.

    Splint Mail
    Deflection rate: Average
    Critical protection: Average
    Bleeding protection: Average

    Notes: This will probably be the first armour sub-type which will make you wonder why should you put it on when you have a lighter version of it which seemingly offers the same protection. The answer is that the Splint Mail actually offers better protection than the Ring Mail in certain areas – it deflects somewhat more often, protects against bleeding and criticals a bit better and in some situations can make the difference between win and loss. It is still relatively light so pieces of it are often used to complete heavier suits without sacrificing too much protection.

    Scale Mail
    Deflection rate: Average
    Critical protection: Average or Above Average
    Bleeding protection: Average or Above Average

    Notes: Easily one of the most popular armour sub-types in the game, the Scale Mail offers fairly good damage reduction and overall protection without putting excessive encumbrance on your fighter. Used mainly by Theatrics gladiators who aim more at resisting damage rather than remaining highly mobile but it can also be seen on certain – usually offensive – War fighters. Relatively easy to use by newer players.

    Chain Mail
    Deflection rate: Above Average
    Critical protection: Above Average
    Bleeding protection: Above Average

    Notes: Chain Mail armour is generally more difficult to use than the earlier sub-types of the family due to the added weight which can become a problem for your gladiator in some scenarios. For this reason it is rarely worn in full suit by Theatrics gladiators but pieces of it can often be seen in mixed configurations. It is probably the most acceptable type of Medium Armour for Wars in general as it allows for moderately offensive or defensive builds due to both being lighter than the Heavy Armour and offering higher protection than the other members of its family.


    Heavy armour family

    Banded Mail
    Deflection rate: High
    Critical protection: High
    Bleeding protection: High

    Notes: The only available “light” Heavy Armour marks a transition between the dual-use armour types, more or less focused on defense but still allowing some mobility, and the heaviest suits which require special training and tactics to be utilized to their full potential without turning your fighter into a sturdy but largely static target. It is normally used by gladiators who have at least partial offensive orientation but it still provides enough protection to be successfully utilized in defensive scenarios as well.

    Plate Mail
    Deflection rate: Very High
    Critical protection: Very High
    Bleeding protection: Very High

    Notes: Arguably the most famous sub-type the Heavy Armour family on the arena. The Plate Mail provides a substantial protection even against the heaviest weapons, which can be further boosted by some of the dedicated War skills. It deflects often enough to make that mechanic an integral part of your strategy (rather than an unreliable event which may or may not be seen during a fight even with the best Medium Armour) and provides great resistance against bleeding. The reduction of the critical hits power is also considerably high, although your gladiator will not exactly become immune to them. The price for all this is very high encumbrance which needs to be carefully managed. Full suits of Plate Mail can normally be worn with good effect only by very big fighters or by gladiators with both the Armour Movement and Light as a Feather skills.

    Full Plate Mail
    Deflection rate: Great
    Critical protection: Great
    Bleeding protection: Great

    Notes: The Full Plate Mail is rather controversial armour. It undoubtedly offers the highest possible protection in the game, turning your gladiator into a steel fortress that is very hard to shake or bring down with bleeding. Just like a normal fortress however, he or she will also be massive and… static. The encumbrance that the Full Plate Mail puts on your fighter is 25% higher than that of the already very heavy Plate Mail, meaning that a complete Full Plate suit weights so much that you theoretically need a titan to wear it and still be able to move often enough. For this reason the Full Plate Mail is almost never used to cover the entire gladiator and only certain pieces of it (usually arm guards and helms) are distributed between frequently targeted limbs.
    Last edited by Kreegan; 09-06-2014 at 05:31 AM.

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    wow, lots of effort put in here. I'll read it when im more awake :P

    also, length plays a part in initiative and defense.
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    Nice. I like the way you think

    Might want to add a category for defensive utility - some weapons are better at parrying than others.
    Also, Hatchet gets deflected a lot more than Warhammer and is quite a bit less effective against heavy armor, imho.
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    Wow, this is beautiful, saving this, thank you!

    Can't wait to see the "Exotics" and "Polearms" parts!
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    Not sure if everything you got here is right...

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    Not sure if everything you got here is right...
    Me neither, hence why I'm asking for feedback. Nobody apart from Nate knows for sure how these things work exactly so we are applying deductions.

    Might want to add a category for defensive utility - some weapons are better at parrying than others.
    Yes, I suspect that some weapons are more defensive than others but I don't have enough impressions to evaluate them properly, hence why I skipped that variable. If someone has observed that part of the weapons' behaviour in more details, he/she's welcome to contribute and I'll add the info to the list.

    Also, Hatchet gets deflected a lot more than Warhammer and is quite a bit less effective against heavy armor, imho.
    That depends on the level and type of the weapon probably, I've had cases where War Hammers got deflected 50-60% of the time by heavy armour. The Hatchet does worse for sure but how much worse...

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    Only had a quick look earlier, now I've had some time to read it through...

    I don't think epees have much longer reach than regular longswords, probably more or less the same.

    I think the 2h bladed weapons(2h sword/axe) have greater crit damage multipliers than the blunt 2h weapons (maul/chain). The blunt weapons just have greater AP power and higher base damage (and the fact most glads using blunt weapons are dunders) so they do much more consistent good damage against all opponents. But take out the armor mitigation factor I think a 2h sword or axe can do higher crit damage to its base, but just lacks the consistency of the blunt 2h weapons when it comes to damage.
    Of course, blunt weapons tend to do more effects such as knock downs, whilst a crit from a bladed 2h weapon tend to cause more effects such as sending your opponent into shock and unable to react following a hit.
    That's my observations, but of course, I'm not the most well-versed 2h weapon user either.

    I agree the chained variety of the heavy weapons, flail and chain&ball, all have pretty high fumble rates, so whilst they have the heaviest base damage in game and can swing around shields and are great against armor, they are also just as likely to tangle yourself or drop out of your hands, especially when facing against a fast opponent.

    Hatchets do get deflected somewhat against heavy armor, sure the guys in BG can use them, but the guys in BG can smash walls with their fists.
    For regular guys in the regular arena, I'd say hammer and up is a safer bet if you want anti-armor weapons.
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    I can confirm that the 2h War Chain can cause VERY LOW bleeding (possibly the spikes on it?), my Rager fought a war with the War Chain and ended the fight with 8 bleeding (caused from ~2 critical hits to him from the War Chain).
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    I changed the forum setting to allow for longer posts and merged Kreegan's posts into one at the top.

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    Very neat, thanks a lot! I'll make sure I edit that post so it doesn't hurt the eye when I have enough time.

    Moving part of the uppermost post here:

    I think the 2h bladed weapons(2h sword/axe) have greater crit damage multipliers than the blunt 2h weapons (maul/chain). The blunt weapons just have greater AP power and higher base damage (and the fact most glads using blunt weapons are dunders) so they do much more consistent good damage against all opponents. But take out the armor mitigation factor I think a 2h sword or axe can do higher crit damage to its base, but just lacks the consistency of the blunt 2h weapons when it comes to damage.
    Of course, blunt weapons tend to do more effects such as knock downs, whilst a crit from a bladed 2h weapon tend to cause more effects such as sending your opponent into shock and unable to react following a hit.
    That's my observations, but of course, I'm not the most well-versed 2h weapon user either.
    The critical effects are divided into tiers, the lowest ones being the +/- some Attack/Defense while the highest ones are Stun, Knockdown and Serious Injury. Whether or not you'll get a good critical is very related to whether you'll manage to punch through the armour so I decided to combine the AP and the Critical Power into one, although they are different. It is possible to separate them I guess but this will make the overall evaluation harder.

    I can confirm that the 2h War Chain can cause VERY LOW bleeding (possibly the spikes on it?), my Rager fought a war with the War Chain and ended the fight with 8 bleeding (caused from ~2 critical hits to him from the War Chain).
    War Chains don't cause bleeding if used with Bash. If some creative guy tries to Slash or Lung with them, then it's probably possible to squeeze some bleeding out of them but it's still quite unlikely. I suppose very high Extra Bleeding rank can result in the same thing but trying it makes no practical sense.

    Anyway, added the Battle Flail to the list of the 2H weapons above.
    Last edited by Kreegan; 08-31-2014 at 12:15 AM.

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