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    Veteran Master weaw's Avatar
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    Even Your Dual Strike ability on Fatalii (or FatalII? , for correctness) may have a side effect: For what he's trying to do damage, while his goal is Endurance? It's happy thing -- it works... Today.
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    There are few slayer remaining in BG after the update, which buffed shadows or the howl shadow&myth school. And like the old pre update shadows with full equipment in BG, they lack something and i dont talk about new HoL glads with buffed stats. (Fatalii has slightly above average stats for a new HoL glad, was a bit over 1100 gold)

    Most "old" shadows and slayers are not managed frequent enough or are just abandoned, it seems they do what they did months ago without any change.

    Shadows sneaked silently into the upper ranks (far from solid top 3 ranks, but stil top 10 worthy) and there is stil no half decent equiped new slayer.

    Long story short there are some unknown changes to the "shadow&myst" school ready to be discovered.


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    I build him as a hybrid, no direct goal towards endurance drain. From time to time he wins the "honorable" way, but most are indeed exhaust wins.

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    Veteran Master weaw's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aphexii View Post
    Long story short ;) there are some unknown changes to the "shadow&myst" school ready to be discovered.
    Yeah, exactly.

    P.S. I mean not only what i say exactly, You know: Fatalii loses some fights, tyring to do damage... ;)
    Last edited by weaw; 05-23-2017 at 09:57 AM.

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    So, let's look at the Wars. They have one offensive skill -- Death From Above, and one (the best) defensive -- Create Distance. You need then switch between Tank/Parry or Parry/"Bash" in order to allow a good work of these skills.
    But that's what makes Wars so fun to play with - you need to set up a flexible strategy (which admittedly is harder now with the wider variety of available builds) but if you do it properly, they can handle pretty much anything. With the Slayer you get a Rage with better armour and worse offense and one way or another you'll come down to the 2-3 lines strategy typical for the Waaaaagh!!! builds. Not my cup of tea but somebody may like it enough to have the patience to find a way to control all these activated skills and ultimately produce a competitive gladiator.

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    In my opinion, the only way to build a slayer is hybrid/shadow with the 3 passive shadow skills. As discussed, flurry of steel sucks, and I also tried the other one for heavy armor usage. This also sucks, because advantage of a slayer is the speed of attacks, and you could only get 1 or 2 pieces of heavy armor anyway before going over 50% encumbrance. Disarm and sweep are hardly reliable, and if you avoid weak spot to take first strike, you can get only 3 activeated off skills: eviscerate, blood bath and vital strike, all of which have pretty nice effects. Snivler exotics or blades make the best slayers because of the bleed bonus. Even if fight only lasted few rounds, if you get blood bath in first round that's 500+ bleed dmg per round.
    I never tried 2H slayer because you want to get the most attacks in as possible to try and get blood bath going. So a speed build is necessary for this, and, as weaw says, there are no def. skills available. Anyway, it's working for me as I was 26-29 in only my first full bg season. Not great, but not awful either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreegan View Post
    But that's what makes Wars so fun to play with ...
    No doubts!

    Quote Originally Posted by Just J View Post
    In my opinion, the only way to build a slayer is hybrid/rage with the 3 passive rage skills.
    It's impossible because of different schools. Or i'm wrong?

    By the way. Shadow&Myst school has a strange architecture which makes hard to use it for hybrids: we need take at least one offensive acivate to deep into Slayer's or Trixter's branch.
    For comparison, all the branches of the Arms&Armour school contains very useful passives in 1st tier which can be used by any build, almost any...
    There is the opinion that Grim Determination is the best skill in the game, for example. It's hard to say something like that about Sweep or about Shank...
    // Note also, the Grim Determination is not something "overpowered", but just very good and unique...
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    oops i meant hybrid slayer/shadow

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    Not only are top slayers of necessity hybrids, but in all reality they are incredibly one dimensional slayer/shadow hybrids like Just J and Weaw said. Sure, someone could do a slayer/trixter hybrid...but to what avail? A manager would have to go through at least 3 activated skills on the trixter tree to gain access to an activated defensive skill, thus furthering the "too many activated offensive skills" problem.

    I'm no slayer expert (or game expert for that matter, this is my first ever post), but slayers are extremely limited, and flurry of steel at this point deserves consideration as one of the worst tier 5 skills in the game. As many others have pointed out...the game is under constant development and Nate is constantly tweaking things (as evidenced by shadow dance now being a viable fight strategy for shadow glads), but I'm not confident that diversifying slayer glads from the hybrid builds they currently seem to be pigeon-holed into will be an easy task at all.

    The Shadow and Mist school definitely does not allow for the same level of gladiator customization as Arms and Armour, but I'm sure that eventually someone will come along and figure out a killer new trixter build....maybe.
    Last edited by Tyrst; 05-30-2017 at 09:52 PM.

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