Blood God Ratings

[Nate]

There was a bug in the ratings code after this most recent update. I made a change so a win would always at least award 1 point since sometimes wild card matches happen with much lower ranked gladiators and the math works out so the winner gets a fraction of 1 point and we don't deal with fractional points in the Blood Gods thus they would be awarded 0 points. This bug awarded 1 point to losing gladiators instead of the negative amount that they should have gotten which is why everyone's ratings increased instead of some increasing and some decreasing. Everyone was affected equally so the end result is everyone just has a higher rating.

This has been fixed, losing gladiators will now start losing points again and winners will always get at least 1 point.

Good luck in the Pit!

-Nate-

[Cynaidh]

Nate,

What about the deal with first place in blood gods, i know Apoca1ypse and I have both run into this now, if first place gets 150-200ish point ahead of 2nd place its near impossible to gain points. On a win you get 1-5 points it seems max but on a loss your loosing 25 or more points. So you can win 5 in a row and then loose 1 and you'll go down in points. Now that you've given us hard set goals of 1700 and 2000 for gear, this seems very harsh.

[Apoca1ypse]

tbh, i think this is in part to having so few glads in blood gods. it means there are less points available to be distributed. if we had 100 glads, things would be different.

I'd still a PITA with how much you can jump around with a win or loss though.

[Nate]

Legendary items will indeed be difficult to attain, ensuring your gladiator's storied and epic journey is worth remembering throughout generations as a true legend and weapons are named after them in the future!

"Accept the challenges so that you may feel the exhilaration of victory" - General George S. Patton

Good luck in the Pit!

-Nate-

P.S. If it turns out nobody even comes close by the end of the season we'll make adjustments accordingly.

[Apoca1ypse]

P.S. If it turns out nobody even comes close by the end of the season we'll make adjustments accordingly.

yay!

Next thing would be to work out how to get bruce up there again

[Stormcloak]

The issue with the application of the elo system is that it's all relative. Since we have the best of the best alone being evaluated there will likely be very little movement. If we look at chess a new player starts at 1200 (with scrubs being below that). Master status is attained at 2000, grandmaster at 2400 and the inhumanly strong masters hit 26-2700. However even within this system there exists discrepancies due to the measurements being local and relative - the old scoff against American players of 'every Russian schoolgirl knows'.
What we have in bloodgods is a bunch of 2400 players all starting at 1200 and playing only other master strength players, so there may not be much movement. The elo system can be represented through probability. If one is 200 points above another, the expectation is that the higher player would win 3 matches out of 4 (thats a pretty good glad if he can hold that win ratio). If a player is 800 points lower then the expectation is winning one game out of a hundred!
So, to apply typical titles when the pool of talents is drawn only from the elite of the elite would be misdirecting. I do suspect adjustments will need to be made and that it's great that Nate is so openminded.

[Apoca1ypse]

blood gods would be pretty cool if it incorporated every lvl 50 glad or most primus glads or something.

just something to make it more than 40 glads.....

[Stormcloak]

Maybe even have the HOL retired glads in there fighting as npc's?

[Cynaidh]

My problem with it still is this a tournament scoring system and its being used to score individual fights not tournaments. In Chess you would do a tournament where you'd do a round-robin style, Swiss system style or single-elimination style tournament more then likely. You'd have all kinda match-ups with high rank and low rank players depending on how they are doing in that specific tournament. In our current system if your in first place with a good lead in points, all you will fight is 2nd place most of the time, you never get that effect of entering a tournament and facing a variety of players where yes you might face the number 2 ranked player but it would probably only be 1 time in the whole tournament (and a highly watched match probably). So the high ranking players don't just only match up against other high ranking players, they have a chance to face everyone who singed up for the tournament. All we are doing is swapping points back and forth between people at the same level as you with our current system as your just fighting people right around you with that 15% chance to get a wild card fight or what ever the exact % is. Honestly i think that's how all the fights should be just a random match up with anyone in the blood gods, that would be more reasonable then what we have now and more in the spirit of a round robin tournament where you face everyone multiple times and the one who wins the most is the winner at the end.

[Apoca1ypse]

I played another game where the elo system was used on a fight by fight basis and it worked just fine. in saying that, there were over 300 people in the ladder.