Regarding the decreased trophy drop rate

[GorbagGutripper]

Kudos Kid Arcane.....my thoughts exactly. I've played this game since it started, with a nice 6-month?? hiatus, but I came back, because, hey it is addicting (sorta like Bloodpit is, and that game has always been free). I remember waiting a year or more after applying at the old Pathocrom site for it to go live. I'm not really sure why the Trophy drop for a kill has gone away, as I would rather have the trophy than a few K gold or a fight token (big whoop) , BUT I have managed to get three fricking nifty purple items in the last few days, soooooooo that right there is 105 trophies. And the fact you can get blue items now (hey before they cost too many trophies compared to the purple I think). I can also see where a paying customer SHOULD get a benefit over a free-loader like myself...after all I have the loot, but haven't forked it out to buy some trophies ( i like to save my loot for Total Wars, Diablos, Blood Bowls etc). I keep on kicking myself telling myself I should but just never get around to it. Of course, this last month I spent over 100 trophies trying to get a decent gladiator (nothing like spending 10 of them and getting one guy that was 950 or so gold...I have NEVER seen any slaves over 1k and once I spent 30 trophies looking....) so I have had to settle on 975 gold losers. My first batch of gladiators did well until they achieved level 50 (well 2 of them are still over 50%) but I sorta messed them up because I kept all their skills in their Specialties....at least my newer guys that arent theatrics are going for some type of signature move. Ok appears I am rambling.

I only play with two achievement slots and my guys generally do good. So yes, it will stink that the trophies aren't falling off of trees now, but with them falling in the tavern (ok I have seen that decrease as well) you can still get a good 40 or so a month--and perhaps you won't get that particular purple item you are looking for, but chances are you will get a few a week. Heck even one is worth it. The only thing I am going to miss is forking out trophies for the Memberships---so yes you will not be getting 40 or so trains a day now, perhaps 15 or so. But when you gain levels that quickly, you find yourself taking on tougher opponents anyway. Oh and Nate will always answer your questions if you email him--might take awhile, as he probably gets a gazillion a day, but he will give you an answer. So Kreegan, perhaps you should have sent him a message and posted his reply before voicing your complaints.

[amarti01]

First of all, I want to say that I am NEW here- I only started Pit of War two days ago. I think that I can contribute to this topic as a new player (since I get the impression that all of you commenting so far are already at the very top rankings with a lot of your gladiators/stables). However, I also want to mention that I know I might be wrong about some things, since I'm new. So instead of trolling/raging against me for my views & opinions, why don't you kindly correct me (no need to get defensive in your replies or increase your risk of heart attack down the road), and most importantly keep in mind that if I feel these ways, then most likely so do most of the other newbies. Finally, I will put my suggestions at the end, because otherwise what's the point, right?

I believe that the change in trophies was mostly directed at getting money from the newcomers, not the veteran players such as yourselves. This is obvious to me, because you all already have all your stable upgrades, and all or most of your purple gear. As somebody pointed out earlier in the thread, all you guys need now is ~3 trophies/day which is possible for you guys. Newcomers, on the other hand, also need to buy stable upgrades, gear, and skills (I know nobody brought up skills yet, but I'll mention why it stands out to me

I mention skills, because without trophies, they LOOK like they'll take 12-24 months to max out. Notice I said 'LOOK like'... Being brand new to the game, I could be wrong, but that's the impression I get, and I'm sure all other newbies would agree with me. It's important to remember that you all had trophies to level/unlevel your skills in your experiments with character builds. And it's also important to remember that this game has a steep learning curve. You all have learned a lot of knowledge and experience in experimenting with multiple gladiators, and now new players won't be able to afford doing that. This means all new players will be limited to the formulas that others have already posted in the forums. Does anybody really want that??

I suspect that either you all forgot the costs of stable upgrades or they were changed. Because as of now, it costs me 30 trophies to upgrade my Barracks from lvl1 to lvl2 (out of 4). It costs 30T to upgrade my vault the first time (it doesn't say how many upgrades are possible, so I'm assuming it's about 4-5). It costs 95T to upgrade my doctor the FIRST TIME (out of 3 upgrades). Seeing as how skills and the few stable upgrades I could do without trophies increased exponentially in cost, I have no choice but to assume that even at 3 trophies per day, it would take me over a year just to finish upgrading my stables (and that's if I don't spend any trophies anywhere else)!! Again, I have to admit that I'm a noob, so maybe the stable upgrade trophy costs don't increase exponentially, but that's the impression that I get and I'm sure all noobs do. Also, I've only been getting 1 trophy per day, I don't know how you all get them (Maybe it's because the rewards/prizes get better as you fight harder opponents?? You ever consider that could be the case also)? Anyway, at my current rate, it would take me about 5 and a half months just to get the first upgrade of barracks, vault, and doctor! I'm willing to bet none of you would have been willing to wait that long just for those upgrades. You might say you could now, now that you love the game so much and have invested so much into it, but probably not when you first were starting. I know the thought of sacrificing spending no trophies for that long for just those measly first stable upgrades makes me cringe...

I know you all probably know some insane builds through your knowledge and experience, as I mentioned earlier, but I don't know any. I've even read every forum post in the classes section, and almost done with all the other forum posts. No noobs ever already know more than the 2 year, top ranked players. And then I have green gear, and have gotten my first blue gear. I see the difference. It's a huge difference! Seeing the difference (and I'm only Rage btw), I can't see how any of you could possibly convince me that I could beat purple gear veterans of the game as a noob with just green gear. Even if there was a way, I'm sure it would have to be so specific and nitpicky that you would have to tell me everything to do in detail. And again, do you really want every newcoming player to be exact carbon copies of each other??? Besides, you all would quickly figure out how to counter it anyway and/or the build would get nerfed....

Some of you said, well the solution is simple then- PAY. First off, this is obviously going to prevent all ages under 18 from playing, as they don't have credit cards anyway. I don't know how much it costs/trophy, and I don't care. The simple reason why most newcomers are going to completely abandon this game is they'll THINK their money could be better spent elsewhere. Notice I said 'they'll THINK'... You all have come to love this game more and more over time the more you invest your time and emotion into it, so for you, yeah it's worth spending money continuously. But a newcomer hasn't developed an attachment to the game yet. It took me all of 5 minutes to realize that I'll either have to spend hundreds of dollars, or years just to get the stable upgrades, gear, and skills. For somebody who hasn't come to love the game, IT'S NOT WORTH IT. 99.99% of newcomers will quit, before they even really start. Even for people who aren't against spending money, they're going to think, "Well, if I HAVE to spend money to play a game, I might as well look for a better game I'll enjoy more first before I start throwing weeks of pay at this one."

Before anybody rants on me about being a tightwad or whatever, I have spent hundreds on games before. But after playing only the so-called "free-to-play" games for about 8 years now, I have noticed a pattern... Anytime a game forces its players to "pay to win", they fail within a year. A few people pay to win > most of the playerbase drops out > the company adds new content to pay for > more playerbase drops out > cycle continues until everybody is too angry at the devs to continue. That's why I no longer pay for games that FORCE you to pay to be top tie (or force you to spend years upon years to get there). I have paid to win before, and it's not worth it to me, since the playerbase drops off so fast.

Finally, here's my suggestion, the whole point
Redirect who pays from the newcomers to the veterans. Newcomers aren't willing to pay for something they haven't even come to enjoy yet, but the hardcores are (I think everybody in this thread already admitted they would pay). This will keep the newcomers from being turned off and give them enough time to start loving the game to the point that they will also pay. Do this by returning the trophy drops (but lowering the drop rate from what it was originally), and adding a new type of token. The new type of token will be what has to be paid for, but will give different gear (better gear or new gear [are the ring slots or whatever next to the legs unlocked yet?]). Maybe this could be the Conquest section (unless that's already unlocked. Then maybe a new arena like the Coliseum or something. These are just spitball ideas, I'm sure all of you could think of something better since I don't even know what the top players want/need at your level). The point is, it could be anything, more skills than 100, pay to unlock a new trigger, whatever...

Play with my suggestion in your heads for a while before deciding about it. And remember, even games like WoW give newcomers free trials for a month or up to a level before they make you pay. They're doing the same thing I recommended- let the newbies learn to get addicted to the game before making them pay. Otherwise, they all get scared away

All this being said, I personally won't be playing anymore. I couldn't stop thinking about anything other than Pit of War the last two days since I joined (I was already planning on quitting all other games to focus on just this one), but it's not worth waiting the years that I'm predicting it will take (especially since I'm also predicting the game will fail in a year or even faster if it doesn't change making newbies pay from the start to finish). The only reason I stayed two whole days is because it said somewhere (in the tutorial I think) that kills grant trophies, and I was planning builds with Crowd Pleaser and/or Finishing Blow from the Theatrics tree to get the trophies I needed. But after a couple kills with no trophies, I looked for and found this thread (to see why I didn't get them). I'll probably check back every month or so, and see if it's changed. Otherwise, I won't be returning.

Best of luck to you all.

[CaineDeSoulis]

well... skills and stat trains on a build would probably only take you about 2-3 months with the stable memberships. and 4-6 months without.I may be an old player but for the past 6 months I've also been a free player.

Stable upgrades are crazy costed honestly. I bought them all but still. they are pretty expensive. and i think its the only thing that hasnt seen a price change since the games launch.

a Trophy for every kill was great but it gave the real killers in the game a pretty big advantage in terms of bang for the buck.

since youve only been playing for a couple days i believe you can get 3 gladiator slots for gold and 2 more will cost 30T each. and the arena challenge victory's after tier 1 tier 2-6 all grant a trophy each. if you clear all the challenges with each gladiator you have you'll earn 250T fir your effort.