New Skill Trees FINAL

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This represents the final skill trees. Unless something major happens during testing this is what we'll be using.

Regarding the respec your gladiators will get refunded an average number of training points based on their current skills and average attribute values.

These refunded training points will not reset at the beginning of each day like normal training points.

All skills (not attributes) will be reset with the exception of your weapon skill(s). Once you log in you'll have the option to also reset your gladiator's weapon skill(s).

Once your gladiator reaches 100 skill points if they have any left over training points, the extra training points will be removed.

There will be an option (a toggle) on the skills screen to allow you to use points until a skill is raised a full point. This will prevent you from having to click 1000s of times.

All gladiators will be allowed to change their race one time if they want for free.

For the purposes of the respec, assume all prerequisites are enforced at all times. I'm looking into some alternative ways to unlearn skills and once done so called "advanced" builds may again be available.

I'll try and have a way for you to reset your points again during the respec process in the event you change your mind, however I strongly urge you to plan your build in advance.

Start planning your builds now.

Rage (Tier 1)

Barreling Attack
Strength, Size, Chi
Activated (Offensive)
Powerful move that knocks your gladiator's opponent to the ground.

Devastating Power
Strength, Size, Chi
Passive
All attacks land with bone crushing force increasing the power of your gladiator's critical strikes.


War (Tier 1)

Grim Determination
Strength, Stamina
Passive
The soldiers of the Great Realm are trained to push their limits on the battlefield and in honor of that the Enforcer will allow them to fight longer than usual before pulling them out of the fight due to injury or exhaustion.


Iron Jaw
Strength, Stamina, Size
Passive
Increases your gladiator's chance of not being stunned or knocked out.


Theatrics (Tier 1)

Feint
Intellect, Agility
Activated (Offensive)
A feigned attack catching your opponent zigging when they should have zagged increasing their Attack Power for the current attack.

Called Shot
Intellect, Agility, Presence
Passive
Psyching out their opponent and playing to the crowd your gladiator calls out where they'll attack next increasing the chances of hitting where they are aiming for and landing a critical strike.

Rage (Tier 2)

Sunder Armour
Strength, Size, Chi
Activated (Offensive)
Requires Rage specialization.
Requires 10 trains in Rage skills.
Shattering strike that crushes plate, breaks chains and shreds leather and cloth reducing the armour value of the location hit.

Blood Drunk
Strength, Stamina, Chi
Passive
Requires 10 trains in Rage skills.
Drunk on slaughter, your gladiator's Attack Power is increased as they look to obliterate anything unfortunate enough to get in their way.

Brute Force
Strength, Size, Chi
Passive
Requires 10 trains in Rage skills.
Your gladiator's attacks smash through shields and weapons reducing the opponent's Defense.


War (Tier 2)

Battle Hardened
Strength, Intellect, Agility
Passive
Requires War specialization.
Requires 10 trains in War skills.
Compulsory service in the military and untold numbers of battles have forged the soldiers of the Great Realm into legions of death. With such experience comes the advantage of knowing when and where to strike increasing their chance of landing a successful hit and for gladiators fighting with a shield this same experience translates into increased protection.

Death From Above
Strength, Stamina, Size
Activated (Offensive)
Requires 10 trains in War skills.
The army of the Great Realm teaches its biggest soldiers how to leap into the air and rain death down onto their enemies by using their great size to break through defenses and inflict extra damage. Your gladiator will be taught this very same move and the bigger they are the harder they hit!

Master of Arms
Strength, Intellect, Agility
Passive
Requires 10 trains in War skills.
All available weapon skills are considered to be the same level as Master of Arms. Weapon skills will never be lower then their current skill level and never higher then the highest weapon skill your gladiator has achieved.


Theatrics (Tier 2)

Signature Moves
Strength, Agility, Presence
Activated (Offensive)
Requires Theatrics specialization.
Requires 10 trains in Theatrics skills.
Special attacks the crowd has come to love seeing your gladiator execute with style and flair. Gladiators learning these moves will be awarded with the ability to perform attacks that: sweep, blind, or disarm their opponent.

Crowd Pleaser
Intellect, Agility, Presence
Passive
Requires 10 trains in Theatrics skills.
The crowd loves a good show and your gladiator has learned how to appear to take a hit when in reality they've deftly redirected or parried the attack instead awarding your gladiator with an increase to their Defense.

Gratuitous Violence
Intellect, Agility, Presence
Passive
Requires 10 trains in Theatrics skills.
The crowd demands blood and your gladiator will learn how to give it to them. All your gladiator's attacks have a chance to inflict bleeding wounds causing their opponent to lose health at the end of every round.

Rage (Tier 3)

Armour Movement
Strength, Agility, Size
Passive
Requires Rage specialization.
Requires 30 trains in Rage skills.
Knowing how to move and fight in Light Armour reduces the penalty to your gladiator's Initiative for wearing it and also teaches them how to actively use it defensively to deflect and absorb incoming attacks.

Rampage
Strength, Chi
Activated (Offensive)
Requires Rage specialization.
Requires 30 trains in Rage skills.
Monstrous attack delivering flesh splattering fury and possibly early retirement to your gladiator's opponent.

Adrenaline Rush
Strength, Stamina, Chi
Activated (Offensive)
Requires 30 trains in Rage skills.
The massive rush your gladiator experiences increases their pain tolerance and awards them the ability to resist a portion of all damage dealt to them for the duration of the effect.


War (Tier 3)

Armour Movement
Strength, Stamina, Size
Passive
Requires War specialization.
Requires 30 trains in War skills.
Knowing how to move and fight in Light, Medium or Heavy Armour reduces the penalty to your gladiator's Initiative for wearing it and also teaches them how to actively use it defensively to deflect and absorb incoming attacks.

Never Say Die
Strength, Stamina
Activated (Defensive)
Requires War specialization.
Requires 30 trains in War skills.
Soldiers of the Great Realm never lose heart regardless of how bad the situation might be. If they should ever find themselves with less than half their health and losing the battle, they will fall back on their legendary discipline and be rewarded with increased health to continue fighting and the ability to reduce the debilitating effects of low heath and endurance!


War Cry
Strength, Size, Presence
Activated (Offensive)
Requires 30 trains in War skills.
The armies of the Great Realm are known for their War Cry and it is said the Thunder God himself taught them. Your gladiator's War Cry is no different and has a chance to stun their opponent. If resisted, your gladiator's opponent might still find they are too shaken to defend themselves properly.


Theatrics (Tier 3)

Armour Movement
Strength, Agility, Size
Passive
Requires Theatrics specialization.
Requires 30 trains in Theatrics skills.
Knowing how to move and fight in Light or Medium Armour reduces the penalty to your gladiator's Initiative for wearing it and also teaches them how to actively use it defensively to deflect and absorb incoming attacks.

Strength of the Crowd
Strength, Agility, Presence
Activated (Defensive)
Requires Theatrics specialization.
Requires 30 trains in Theatrics skills.
Taking each hit with a flourish your gladiator works the crowd into an orgy of thunderous applause giving them a bonus to their Attack Power and Defense for the duration of the effect.

Hamstring
Strength, Agility, Presence
Activated (Offensive)
Requires 30 trains in Theatrics skills.
Your gladiator will learn to humiliate and maim the enemy reducing the frequency of their attacks for the duration of the effect.

Rage (Tier 4)

Crippling Might
Strength, Chi
Activated (Offensive)
Requires Rage specialization.
Requires 55 trains in Rage skills.
Terrifying strike that crushes anything in its path with the chance of preventing defensive skills from activating for the current attack.

Heavy Scarring
Stamina, Presence, Chi
Passive
Requires Rage specialization.
Requires 55 trains in Rage skills.
The barbarians of the Great Realm inflict beastly scars on themselves after each victory transforming their bodies into a living story and warning to any who would challenge them. With skin tougher than leather many a blade is met with failure.

Annihilate
Strength, Size, Chi
Passive
Requires Rage specialization.
Requires 55 trains in Rage skills.
Sending bones and brains flying in all directions is what the crowd desires and with each hit delivering extra damage to any gladiators using the tank or parry fighting styles your gladiator will fill their cup to overflowing!


War (Tier 4)

Intercepting Guard
Strength, Intellect, Agility
Passive
Requires War specialization.
Requires 55 trains in War skills.
A defensive guard that helps to reduce the damage received while tanking or using a parry fighting style. Gladiators fighting with a shield will enjoy a much greater reduction to the damage they receive.

Light as a Feather
Strength, Intellect, Agility
Passive
Requires War specialization.
Requires 55 trains in War skills.
After hundreds of battles your gladiator has learned how to better handle the weight of armour and weapons allowing them to be less encumbered which offers numerous benefits on the sands such as increasing their initiative and the ability to get up off the ground quicker to name a few.

Create Distance
Strength, Intellect, Stamina
Activated (Defensive)
Requires War specialization.
Requires 55 trains in War skills.
A defensive move that stops the oncoming attack and has a chance of knocking the opponent far enough back that they lose an addition attack making up the lost ground.


Theatrics (Tier 4)

Knockout
Strength, Agility
Passive
Requires Theatrics specialization.
Requires 55 trains in Theatrics skills.
Every crowd loves a knockout and every hit your gladiator delivers to their opponent's head has a chance to do just that. In addition opponents wearing no helm or a lightly armoured helm are at risk of being dazed by each hit to the head leaving them unable to attack until they get their bearings again.

Overwhelming Presence
Strength, Agility, Presence
Passive
Requires Theatrics specialization.
Requires 55 trains in Theatrics skills.
Stories of your gladiator's legendary prowess on the sands have reached every corner of the Great Realm causing all opponents to second guess themselves reducing their initiative.

Surprise Ending
Agility, Presence, Chi
Activated (Defensive)
Requires Theatrics specialization.
Requires 55 trains in Theatrics skills.
In an amazing display of skill your gladiator will redirect the oncoming strike and possibly any skill effects back to the attacker. Surprise!

Rage (Tier 5)

Total Carnage
Strength, Agility, Chi
Passive
Requires Rage specialization.
Requires 90 trains in Rage skills.
As a master of the Rage specialty, your gladiator is a whirlwind of destruction awarded with more attacks and all your gladiator's critical hits have a chance of being elevated to the next level. At Rank 10 your gladiator is awarded a bonus to all their damage.


War (Tier 5)

Armoured Fortress
Strength, Intellect, Stamina
Passive
Requires War specialization.
Requires 90 trains in War skills.
As a master of the War specialty, your gladiator is a tank awarded increased protection from all armour worn and the ability to use it to block and deflect more attacks. At Rank 10 all hits your gladiator receives will remove a portion of the opponent's endurance.


Theatrics (Tier 5)

Bloody Spectacle
Strength, Agility, Presence
Passive
Requires Theatrics specialization.
Requires 90 trains in Theatrics skills.
As a master of the Theatrics specialty, your gladiator is the main actor in a theater of blood awarded the ability to inflict extra bleeding damage all the while performing a sublime dance of death with style and flair increasing their Attack Power and Defense. At rank 10 a portion of all bleeding damage inflicted will happen immediately instead of at the end of the round.

Nice tier 5 for theatrics! Bleed happening at the end of the round was always one of the drawbacks of it, the fight could be over before the bleed happened!

Looking forward to respec day!

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Originally Posted by Nate

Sunder Armour
Activated (Offensive)
Requires Rage specialization.
Requires 10 trains in Rage skills.
Shattering strike that crushes plate, breaks chains and shreds leather and cloth reducing the armour value of the location hit.

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- Will the armour value be reduced only for the current strike or for the duration of the fight?
- If one hit lands on say weapon arm on shoulder; another on forearm; and another on fingers will these be considered as the same location (weapon arm) or different individual locations?

Regards

Wait, I see what I was going to ask, nvm...

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- Will the armour value be reduced only for the current strike or for the duration of the fight?
- If one hit lands on say weapon arm on shoulder; another on forearm; and another on fingers will these be considered as the same location (weapon arm) or different individual locations?

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Once a location is damaged is stays damaged for the length of the fight.

shoulder, forearm, hand = arm

Good luck in the Pit!

-Nate-

So is their am approximate date for when this goes live?

What Cynaidh said! :)

I believe someone said in the chat we are waiting on the arena challenges to be re-skilled. I can just imagine Nate sitting somewhere cackling with glee as he remakes those over power monsters.

I'm guessing New Years....it would just be so tidy to start on the first of the year:o

Nate
The only question I have left to ask is about a grayed out skill points. Will they still work like they do now. Or will they have to be ungrayed to work. This will help a bunch of us in our build designs.

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I believe someone said in the chat we are waiting on the arena challenges to be re-skilled. I can just imagine Nate sitting somewhere cackling with glee as he remakes those over power monsters.

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it's actually a pain in the ass! ;)

Good luck in the Pit!

-Nate-

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I'm guessing New Years....it would just be so tidy to start on the first of the year:o

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I'm aiming to get things ready around the end of the year so hopefully we'll see something late December or early January.

Good luck in the Pit!

-Nate-

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Nate
The only question I have left to ask is about a grayed out skill points. Will they still work like they do now. Or will they have to be ungrayed to work. This will help a bunch of us in our build designs.

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There will be no gray skills, it won't be possible. If you've spent points going down the skill tree you will not be able to unlearn skills in such a way as to violate the prerequisites. Once I am able to introduce an additional way of unlearning skills then things will be back to how they are now. For the respec assume you'll be doing no unlearning of skills to create what some call "advanced builds".

Good luck in the Pit!

-Nate-

Nate, can you please add info about which stats apply to each skill, please ?

That's quite a key element of decision when planning the rebuild of our glads...

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There will be no gray skills, it won't be possible.

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Well that just changed a whole log of builds :)

Will the base for the number of skills the glad gets be the original stats? I presume that it will, but haven't heard anything mentioned. If not, all glads with stat increases will get hosed.

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Originally Posted by HipsterD

Will the base for the number of skills the glad gets be the original stats? I presume that it will, but haven't heard anything mentioned. If not, all glads with stat increases will get hosed.

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"Regarding the respec your gladiators will get refunded an average number of training points based on their current skills and average attribute values."

Good luck in the Pit!

-Nate-

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Originally Posted by Narol

Nate, can you please add info about which stats apply to each skill, please ?

That's quite a key element of decision when planning the rebuild of our glads...

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Attributes have been added.

boy am I happy I focused on size when picking my new crew. The most important stat, in my opinion, just got even more important. And we all should fear Belca`s size 100 even more. Ive been through 1000`s of rolls and never seen one, most of mine are in the 85-95 range.

A big followup question is when do you believe the "unlearn will be rolled out". 1 month or 6 months...

It makes a big difference in how we build now if we may be able to unlearn in a month.

I am excited!

I am not 100% convinced of the 100 size because when you happen to get that, it will likely to be well less than the max average cost (or max stats) - probably by 30 points minimum and 75 to 100 points normally less than the highest cost glads. An extra 30 to 100 points in other areas will be a nice offset - although it may not be enough....

Heehee...i have a few big boys stashed away too, right now Bigger Buzz can hit 106 size and i think Toe Jam... (I could be wrong, i'll have to check some other time) might be able to hit 110 or maybe even 115.

I'm so torn on the new skills tho....I want them all!

No...if i maxed Bigger Buzz out he would be size 112, with no achievement slots left over for anything else, of course. And Toe jam is on vacation dead and i don't want to bother him, so I'll have to wait and see...I'm pretty sure he can get huge!

I would like to see how my 55 size gladiators flare against these :)

Thanks Nate, that additional infos will help !

I hope the defense bonus of small glads will be increased to compensate all the skills that require high size now so that all glads still have a chance...

well, seems like the days of str/pres rage is gone....

Ahhnold wasnt even complete yet :(

Damnit Nate stop making me want to go offensive with Belca, I wanted to make him a defensive glad! XD
Don't you worry about Belca guys, His Int and Agi aren't that great which seem to be 2 core stats for defensive wars :P

Nate, how will the arena challenges change once the update is live? I think this is particularly important for the lower level glads that used to have skills like create distance etc.

If the changes are drastic I will have to dredge up one of my old stables and have a run through to get info again while riggen keeps scouting out the higher tiers.

I'm glad to hear you're gonna be on top of the change over Apoc, any chance you could write the "Pit-tionary" too?

I could probably give it a go. I will be redoing the tree guides over the next month as we work things out. I assume Oedi and Crow will be doing the same.

If I do a proper Pit-tionary, I will have to a) learn to make one and b) re-run a heap of new glads through the arena challenges to make them detailed. Riggen has good info up but I fear it may be obsolete once the changes go live.

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Signature Moves
Strength, Agility, Presence
Activated (Offensive)
Requires Theatrics specialization.
Requires 10 trains in Theatrics skills.
Special attacks the crowd has come to love seeing your gladiator execute with style and flair. Gladiators learning these moves will be awarded with the ability to perform attacks that: sweep, blind, or disarm their opponent.

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I just reread the description and I noticed "stun" is no longer in the description. That will certainly make a huge difference in those Theatrics that basically depend on that sig move. A 2 round stun is pretty much a win or at least it should be. None of my glads were lucky enough to have stun as a sig move but I have noticed that many of the top Theatrics do. That move alone is enough to get an excellent glad over the top to elite.

Is the way that sig move is being decided going to change at all?

Noticed that on Sig Move straight away, was already wondering why nobody mentioned it lol
Well let's go to my 2 main questions. Nate what effect does Hamstring have and does War Cry deal damage?

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Originally Posted by Team Kaos

I just reread the description and I noticed "stun" is no longer in the description. That will certainly make a huge difference in those Theatrics that basically depend on that sig move. A 2 round stun is pretty much a win or at least it should be. None of my glads were lucky enough to have stun as a sig move but I have noticed that many of the top Theatrics do. That move alone is enough to get an excellent glad over the top to elite.

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I think a lot of us where hoping 2 round stuns would be gone, but i guess with the new shorter rounds it will be less effective. All the high end glads have sig move stun cause it was discovered how to pick which sig move your glad has on creation. So everyone made their glads to have sig move stun that where going to use sig move. If you'd like to know how it worked just send me a private message, i promised the person who told me how it works i wouldn't post it on the forums here or I would have already to make it a level playing field.

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Is the way that sig move is being decided going to change at all?

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It would have to change with stun being removed since he didn't replace it with something else.

Send me a message Cyn i've always wondered how to "pick stun" i was lucky to get it with Dirty John, and it don't matter now....you know

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