New Skill Trees Sneak Peek Part IV

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Originally Posted by sevenseas

hey what if we want tier 4 skills in other specializations? Do we have to pay to unlearn unwanted skills so we can have the same "depth" of a build we have now?? Or are the training requirements going to be removed for the change?

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We don't even know if we can still unlearn pre-rec's at all and have skills still work after the change. Right now you can, the skills will go "grey" and they still work, but Nate said in a previous chat he had not made up his mind if he was going to allow this to continue after the skill change, it might be that they "grey" skills no longer work after the patch. He did say that yes all training requirements will have to be met when doing this respec, so to get these nifty tier 5 skills unlocked you'll need 85 points in the tree. And then after you put 10 points in the teir 5 that will only leave you 5 training points left until you use trophies to unlearn some skills in the tree. Or at least that was my understanding of it.

I'm currently balancing the new skill trees and testing other balancing changes in the game engine and in that process sometimes I need to modify how a skill works a little bit. Tier 5 skills being beefed up quite a bit require more careful consideration which is why I have not released details on them yet as they may change depending on how testing goes. I'm trying to keep changes to skills already released to a minimum, however if they do change I'll let you know. One thing I can tell you is tier 5 skills will require 90 points in that tree instead of 85.

When everything is ready I'll give you a decent heads up so you can work out new builds before going live, however with what you already have access to should get you the majority of the way there.

Good luck in the Pit!

-Nate-

Maybe I missed it in the posts somewhere, but how will a gladiators current skills be affected by the new skill tree? Already earned skills, what will become of them once the new skill tree is activated. Will the glads current skills transfer over to the new skill tree or does everyone go back to zero skills and will rebuild their glads with the glads already earned skill points?

Hey Kaos, this is my understanding of how it will work from Nate's telling us about it in chats:

You'll log in that day and each gladiator will have the "average" amount of training points that it takes to get the skills you previously had based on your stats/previously learned skills (so if you have horrible stats and ten skills at rank 10, you would get a HUGE amount of points, where as someone with twenty skills at rank 5 would get much less). These "refunded" points will NOT reset at the end of the day like normal points, so if you're not available on respec day that's fine, they will be there next time you log on.

All your previous skills except the weapon skill you have will be gone, refunded into the above "refunded" points, Nate said he is considering a button to refund your weapon skill for those that would like to do so. The reason for leaving the weapon skill is so your glads are not defenseless if someone attacks them before your re-spend your points.

There will be a new button "Try till success" that you can toggle on and off, this will let you train whole points in one click of the mouse.

If you use the "Try till success" button you would then be clicking a max of 100 times on skills to relearn them if you previously had that many skills trained, less clicks if you had less trained skills. Of course since the refund was for the "average" amount of training points and since the new skills might use different stats it is possible that you roll good and have left over points, but at the same time you might roll badly and end up not having the same amount of trained skills at the end. Then you'd have to finish training up like normal.

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One thing I can tell you is tier 5 skills will require 90 points in that tree instead of 85.

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So looks like to have a pure glad with a maxed T5 skill you'll have all your points in that tree. I like it. Any chance you can let us know what the T5 skills are now with the caveat that it might change due to your testing? That way we could still plan our new builds and have a plan B in case the skill changes and we don't like it. :)

I'll try and get an update out in the next day to satisfy your cravings!

Good luck in the Pit!

-Nate-

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Originally Posted by Nate

One thing I can tell you is tier 5 skills will require 90 points in that tree instead of 85.

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I was just wondering.. War tree has five weapon skills available; theatrics has four while rage has just three. As such it will be rather easy for a war gladiator to reach the 90 skills mark, learn tier 5 skill and then unlearn unwanted skills cheaply; as compared to a rage. As such, wouldn't it be nice to keep the tier 5 skill requirement something like 90 for war, 85 for theatrics and 80 for rage?

Regards

Lunarion...you are a genius.....


Yeah, Nate, what he said:cool:

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I was just wondering.. War tree has five weapon skills available; theatrics has four while rage has just three. As such it will be rather easy for a war gladiator to reach the 90 skills mark, learn tier 5 skill and then unlearn unwanted skills cheaply; as compared to a rage. As such, wouldn't it be nice to keep the tier 5 skill requirement something like 90 for war, 85 for theatrics and 80 for rage?

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Thanks for the suggestion Lunarion. I honestly don't see this being a problem. If someone wants to waste their training points on all five weapons skills instead of just building out their gladiator properly because they think they'll eek out some minor advantage in getting their Tier 5 skill I think they'll find it really isn't worth the effort. Tier 5 skills represent a gladiator who is a master of their specialty and as such they'll need 90 points to unlock it.

Good luck in the Pit!

-Nate-

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Originally Posted by Nate

I'll try and get an update out in the next day to satisfy your cravings!

Good luck in the Pit!

-Nate-

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Is it tomorrow yet? :)