Cannot Defend Bug

[sevenseas]

Now if an opponent cannot defend, shouldn't his create distance be nullified? I don't have a screen shot or fight log for this, but i know everyone has seen it. Also Nate, I'm still seeing that bug where serious injuries are not getting amplified damage when hit, and that stinks cause my guys need that. I have had a quite a few fights lost due to these ones, so pretty pretty please would you look into them when you get time?





Thanka Muchas,
7C's

[Cynaidh]

I've been noticing the crit thing a lot with my glad bladesinger myself.

I've been seeing this a lot:

HIT causes injury
Next hit no extra damage line for injury
Next hit has extra damage line for injury
Next hit has extra damage line for injury
Next hit has extra damage line for injury

and have seen this a few times:
HIT causes injury
Next hit has extra damage line for injury
Next hit no extra damage line for injury
Next hit has extra damage line for injury
Next hit has extra damage line for injury

Which is even weirder. Using daggers with 10 in called shot has really made this problem stand out from the number of attacks per round you get to one location on the opponent.

[Cynaidh]

here is an example from today, fight 1171

where its:
HIT causes injury
Next hit no extra damage line for injury
Next hit has extra damage line for injury


BLADESLINGER's BLOODSAND DIRK viciously slices at BURTREYNOLDS.
Colossal strike to the back of the head. BLADESLINGER's weapon can be seen protruding out of the forehead...must have missed vital areas of the brain! (+120 Damage)
BURTREYNOLDS's head may never be the same!!! *** Serious Injury *** <-- here is the injury
BURTREYNOLDS appears very concerned with his physical state!!!

BURTREYNOLDS lets forth the roar of a lion and prepares to leave it all on the sands! (-Last Stand-)
BURTREYNOLDS lashes out with his WYRMBONE SMASHER, but his attack is poorly timed.
BURTREYNOLDS fumbles about with his weapon!
BURTREYNOLDS pelts furiously to and fro.
BURTREYNOLDS spins his WYRMBONE SMASHER overhead before coming down with extraordinary force.
BURTREYNOLDS tries to knock BLADESLINGER down with the force of the blow! (-Barreling Attack-)
BLADESLINGER drops to one knee after the shot!
The blow to BLADESLINGER's cheek lands with mighty force! (+290 Damage)

BURTREYNOLDS storms BLADESLINGER and looks to crush his adversary.
BURTREYNOLDS roars uncontrollably as she attacks! (-Rampage-)
Herculean blast to BLADESLINGER's elbow rips it from the socket and causes it to sway in the wind like a pendulum! (+712 Damage)

BLADESLINGER moves around on the ground looking for an opening to strike.
BLADESLINGER uses her vicious BLOODSAND DIRK to jab at BURTREYNOLDS.
BLADESLINGER aims for BURTREYNOLDS's head.
Stomach is torn open by the mighty blow! (+108 Damage) <-- aims for head but hits stomach, i'd guess this is a called shot fail?

BLADESLINGER attempts to strike from the ground.
BLADESLINGER makes a lightning quick jab with her BLOODSIDIAN CUTTER.
Gigantic thrust penetrates BURTREYNOLDS's skull and remove an eye...might consider wearing an eye patch! (+158 Damage) <-- missing extra damage

BLADESLINGER readies a strike from the ground.
BLADESLINGER tries to maim her adversary.
An old injury is hit and magnifies the damage!
Shot to the head removes an eye along with part of the brain! (+373 Damage) <-- has extra damage

BURTREYNOLDS drops to one knee after the shot!
BLADESLINGER howls as her finishing blow is intercepted by the Enforcer!
The fight lasted 8 seconds!

[sevenseas]

Same old story....I should have won this with no problem




R O U N D 1
>> GUARDIAN SAZGOB SWITCHES TO STRATEGY 1
>> SNOT ROCKET SWITCHES TO STRATEGY 1
SNOT ROCKET uses his vicious WYRMBONE ZWEIHANDER to jab at GUARDIAN SAZGOB.
SNOT ROCKET looks to seriously damage GUARDIAN SAZGOB's armour! (-Sunder Armour-)
With a magnificent and bloody hit to the lower thigh GUARDIAN SAZGOB grabs the devastated area and hops around the arena...the crowd erupts in laughter! (+234 Damage)
• Possible Disarm
• Possible Knock Down
• Possible Serious Injury

GUARDIAN SAZGOB curses as the attack knocks his weapon to the ground!
GUARDIAN SAZGOB winces as he is knocked off balance and sent to the ground!
GUARDIAN SAZGOB's leg may always be in pain!!! *** Serious Injury ***
The Enforcer quickly throws GUARDIAN SAZGOB a RAPIER from off the arena wall!
SNOT ROCKET uses his razor sharp WYRMBONE ZWEIHANDER to wildly strike at GUARDIAN SAZGOB.
SNOT ROCKET aims for GUARDIAN SAZGOB's front leg..
An old injury is hit and magnifies the damage!
Freakish slash to the back of GUARDIAN SAZGOB's leg almost removes it about mid thigh...blood sprays from the wound like a fire hose! (+777 Damage)
• Bleeding: 40 health per round
• Attack Power: -10 (4 rounds)

GUARDIAN SAZGOB readies a strike from the ground.
GUARDIAN SAZGOB whips around with his off hand.
GUARDIAN SAZGOB looks to counterstrike with his BLOODSIDIAN EPEE.
GUARDIAN SAZGOB's BLOODSIDIAN EPEE tastes victory and inflicts freakish damage on SNOT ROCKET's back! (+109 Damage)

GUARDIAN SAZGOB readies a strike from the ground.
GUARDIAN SAZGOB steps close, attempting to sink his RAPIER into SNOT ROCKET's flesh.
GUARDIAN SAZGOB smiles after the mighty hit to SNOT ROCKET's spine! (+107 Damage)

Resisted Stun Effect!
GUARDIAN SAZGOB moves around on the ground looking for an opening to strike.
GUARDIAN SAZGOB storms SNOT ROCKET and seeks to lance him.
Massive shot to SNOT ROCKET's shoulder blade...The grounds keepers are going to have to work hard to clean up this mess! (+121 Damage)

GUARDIAN SAZGOB readies a strike from the ground.
GUARDIAN SAZGOB looks to an off handed strike to deal damage.
GUARDIAN SAZGOB hacks mercilessly at SNOT ROCKET with his BLOODSIDIAN EPEE.
GUARDIAN SAZGOB's BLOODSIDIAN EPEE tastes victory and inflicts cyclopean damage on SNOT ROCKET's belly! (+91 Damage)

GUARDIAN SAZGOB moves around on the ground looking for an opening to strike.
GUARDIAN SAZGOB attempts to puncture SNOT ROCKET with his RAPIER.
A mammoth wound is opened on SNOT ROCKET's butt! (+107 Damage)

GUARDIAN SAZGOB attempts to strike from the ground.
GUARDIAN SAZGOB attempts to spear his enemy with his BLOODSIDIAN EPEE.
Stomach is torn open by the mighty blow! (+91 Damage)

GUARDIAN SAZGOB tries to attack from the ground.
GUARDIAN SAZGOB overruns SNOT ROCKET and attempts to pierce his opponent.
Beastly shot to SNOT ROCKET's inner thigh spears his leg and punctures a major artery...the flood gates of blood have been opened! (+118 Damage)

GUARDIAN SAZGOB moves around on the ground looking for an opening to strike.
GUARDIAN SAZGOB storms SNOT ROCKET and looks to cripple him.
Freakish shot at SNOT ROCKET spears his shoulder and removes the arm from its socket leaving it to dangle helplessly! (+150 Damage)

>> SNOT ROCKET SWITCHES TO STRATEGY 3
SNOT ROCKET pauses for a moment to catch his breath.
SNOT ROCKET is pleading with the Enforcer to spare his life!!!
SNOT ROCKET lets forth the roar of a lion and prepares to leave it all on the sands! (-Last Stand-)
SNOT ROCKET dances quickly back and forth.
SNOT ROCKET looks to poke his opponent with his WYRMBONE ZWEIHANDER.
Beastly shot to GUARDIAN SAZGOB's inner thigh spears his leg and punctures a major artery...the flood gates of blood have been opened! (+248 Damage)
>> SNOT ROCKET SWITCHES TO STRATEGY 1
GUARDIAN SAZGOB tries to attack from the ground.
GUARDIAN SAZGOB executes a horrendously powerful slash with his RAPIER.
SNOT ROCKET
GUARDIAN SAZGOB
342/1172
342/1172
1041/2298
1041/2298
89/98
89/98
137/145
137/145
Bleeding
215
Attack Power
-40
Prone
prone
Bleeding
40

Freakish shot at SNOT ROCKET spears his shoulder and removes the arm from its socket leaving it to dangle helplessly! (+105 Damage)

R O U N D 2
GUARDIAN SAZGOB quickly brings himself to an upright position!
>> SNOT ROCKET SWITCHES TO STRATEGY 3
SNOT ROCKET goes for a wicked slashing attack with his WYRMBONE ZWEIHANDER.
With a magnificent and bloody hit to the lower thigh GUARDIAN SAZGOB grabs the devastated area and hops around the arena...the crowd erupts in laughter! (+314 Damage)

Resisted Stun Effect!
GUARDIAN SAZGOB's RAPIER hacks at SNOT ROCKET with unbridled rage.
GUARDIAN SAZGOB looks to blind SNOT ROCKET with one of his signature moves! (-Signature Move: Blind-)
GUARDIAN SAZGOB jabs a finger in SNOT ROCKET's eye!
GUARDIAN SAZGOB attempts to lance SNOT ROCKET with his BLOODSIDIAN EPEE.
GUARDIAN SAZGOB aims for SNOT ROCKET's torso
Savage lunge above SNOT ROCKET's waist punctures a kidney and destroys all healthy tissue in the blades path! (+102 Damage)

GUARDIAN SAZGOB twists his RAPIER into a tremendously powerful slash.
SNOT ROCKET
GUARDIAN SAZGOB
0/1172
0/1172
688/2298
688/2298
85/98
85/98
134/145
134/145
Bleeding
287
Blinded
1
Attack Power
-50
Bleeding
80
Attack Power
-20

Stomach is torn open by the mighty blow! (+179 Damage)

SNOT ROCKET's body is going to need a lot of work!!! *** Serious Injury ***
GUARDIAN SAZGOB grins as he readies the finishing blow but the Enforcer saves the conquered warrior SNOT ROCKET!
The fight lasted 19 seconds!
* Sevenseas's Doctor was able to heal Snot Rocket's torso injury!
Snot Rocket wasn't up to the challenge and is dragged off the bloodied sands!

[sevenseas]

But yeah....what about creating distance while cannot defend?

[Dainoji]

In cases other than head and torso, I can see how you can injury say the left leg or arm and then the following hits are to the right leg or arm. Which could easily be the case in your GUARDIAN SAZGOB fight.


But yeah....what about creating distance while cannot defend?

Since I've been playing cannot defend doesn't stop the use of defensive skills, it just lowers your defense opening you up to larger hits.

[Nate]

A patch for this will be included with the new skill trees update. Dainoji brings up a good point about where the injury hits. I see some examples have been posted where it still happens on the head and torso so something isn't right. Regarding the can not defend effect, it currently does not affect skill usage by design. With defense playing a greater roll in the next update I suspect it will have an even larger impact when it reduces the opponents defense. If it turns out not to be the case we'll revist this.

Good luck in the Pit!

-Nate-

[sevenseas]

Shucks, i hope my opponents will just not defend when they are not supposed to be able to. It's just such a huge part of my build and strategy:confused: i hope the new skill tree and update come in soon....Maybe Christmas:rolleyes: or New Years;) if the world is still here

[sevenseas]

R O U N D 5
BETA II almost gets up onto his feet, but gets kicked back down!
BIGGER BUZZ looks to an off handed strike to deal damage.
BIGGER BUZZ makes a meager attack with his FIST.
BIGGER BUZZ
BETA II

781/2037
59/89
109/122
Attack Power
-5
Prone

Bleeding
57
Can Not Defend
2


BIGGER BUZZ looks to seriously damage BETA II's armour! (-Sunder Armour-)
But a quick parry by BETA II stops any and all damage.
BIGGER BUZZ attempts to injure his adversary.
BETA II backs up a few inches as BIGGER BUZZ descends upon him! (-Shock & Awe-)
Sparks fly as BETA II's armour deflects the strike!
Fatigue weighs BIGGER BUZZ down, slowing his attacks.
BETA II attempts to strike from the ground.
BETA II looks to an off handed strike to deal damage.
BETA II whirls his BLOODSIDIAN MACE overhead and brings it crashing down onto BIGGER BUZZ.
Awesome shot to the upper arm squashes nerves and veins on bone shards! (+116 Damage)



See...that crap sucks, if he cant defend how come he defended?

[Lunarion199]

The description of Cannot Defend is:
"The gladiator is on the run trying to get out from under the barrage of attacks and cannot defend himself properly for the number of rounds shown in red..."
So probably it does not mean that 'the gladiator cannot defend himself at all'. It's all based on chances it seems. Maybe the attacker's attack was so weak that the defender still managed to defend somehow..

As far as serious injuries are concerned, could it be that even though the same body part gets hit repeatedly it doesn't mean the same 'seriously injured' area of that body part always gets hit. Say when head is hit, sometimes an eye gets popped up; sometime skull gets crushed or sometimes neck gets broken. Again, a game of chances?

Maybe, because the battle description is the source of setting our strategies, to clear the doubt of a bug it could include lines such as:
"The gladiator, although cannot defend himself properly, parries the attack somehow.."
"A massive hit to the head which barely misses the seriously injured area.."